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Post by theallan on Jan 22, 2007 18:28:57 GMT -5
Okay, let's talk Global Warming. I know that there's at least one person who thinks it's anything to worry about *waves nonchalantly at Tori* Disregarding the obvious question of "Who is the Notan Ice guy?" I personally find it fascinating that a mean temperature increase of less than 1 degree Farenheit over less than 100 years has us so concerned...
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jan 22, 2007 18:55:39 GMT -5
OMG! THIS IS SO BOGUS! This is quite serious! First of the "small" increase in temp. has heated up the ocean and started to melt glaciers! And now, some pengiun species are becoming endanged because their homes are melting. Also, huge amounts of ice fall off the galciers into teh ocean every day. Soon the ocean will rise and places that welove will cease to exist! LIKE NEW YORK! I have more. If you are still not conviced. I hope you are... this is a crisis. Yes I am being seriuos and not hyper for once. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND THE WORLD. *sigh*
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Post by theallan on Jan 22, 2007 19:48:17 GMT -5
Hmmm...I've always questioned this glacier thing. One of the first things anyone studying chemistry learns is that ice CONTRACTS when it melts. Once again, we only have a century or less of data to work with. Why should we not believe that glacial movement NATURALLY results in melting and refreezing CONTINUALLY? And yes, the temperature change is small. Walk outside, wait an hour, then walk outside again. That temperature difference is FAR greater than the difference caused by "global warming". You know that scientists were afraid because climates were showing a COOLING trend a few decades ago, right? Then there's the urban island theory, the cyclical theory, and the solar variance theory, all of which point strongly to two important things:
1) Warming trends as we see them are insignificant. If they exist at all, they are a part of perfectly natural processes. As an amateur mathematician, I see a HUGE problem with choosing two individual data points and declaring a causal relationship between them. This 1 degree variance should fall easily within a statistical standard deviation...
2) Humans just aren't capable of accidentally altering the climate of an entire planet.
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jan 22, 2007 20:28:11 GMT -5
OMG! *explodes* Ok. When we die, then you'll see.
*is really REALLY mad*
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Post by theallan on Jan 23, 2007 17:44:03 GMT -5
Hmmm...so you don't even KNOW why you believe in global warming? Rather defeats the purpose of discussion, now doesn't it?
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jan 24, 2007 19:50:10 GMT -5
Anyone see that Al Gore movie? Cuz I didn't....>_>
*wishes there were more topics that she could actually contribute to*
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jan 24, 2007 20:27:16 GMT -5
Hmmm...so you don't even KNOW why you believe in global warming? Rather defeats the purpose of discussion, now doesn't it? Ok no offense, but wtf? I never said that! I said I was FREAKIN' ANGRY that no one got my point. Lord Allan, you are really rude sometimes. I'm sorry I'm the only Liberal on this stupid forum, but I deserve equal rights, and respect. I still love you though. <3 ....... I mean grrrrrrrrrr hehe (is still mad but loves your knee too much...)
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jan 24, 2007 20:39:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry I'm the only Liberal on this stupid forum... *coughs rather loudly* Tori, I don't think anyone's really showing you disrespect. Allan just misunderstood you, and everyone might be getting a little touchy because you're yelling so much. Don't take this personally, because I love you with my heart and soul, but please, try to tone down the hostility just a bit.
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jan 24, 2007 20:48:19 GMT -5
<3
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Post by Swoosh on Jan 24, 2007 20:56:04 GMT -5
Yeah, meteorology (a.k.a. weather stuff) hasn't been studied very long. There's no proof that this kind of change in climate isn't natural, even regular or seasonal.
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Post by theallan on Jan 26, 2007 18:10:44 GMT -5
Tori, if the extent of your argument is "OMG! When we die, you'll see", that doesn't instill much faith in the stability of your argument. If you have real data, or a real logical argument, by all means present it, and I shall respond courteously and logically.
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Post by Nina ♥ on Jan 26, 2007 20:07:23 GMT -5
Global Warming = Stupidity
Thats not much of an Argument just let Allan speak for me becuase he knows what he is talking about and I just know that I think The theory of global warming is insane...
And another thing Im going to say which sounds hypocritical I know ( Im not to informed on this subject but Allans argument makes alot more sense than "OMG LIEK HAIRSPRAY IS GUNNA MAKE US DIIIEEE" ) But In Tori's case of being a liberal it really doesnt help you much by not having an argument, being angry because no one agrees, and yelling. I mean it gives a bad name to liberals when people of that party debate like that. I mean for instance (this really happened)
MICHEAL: I HATE BUSH HE IS AN EVIL DICTATOR AND IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.
NINA: Micheal he is a human being just like anyone else and no one is perfect.
MICHEAL: SO!!!! WE ARE IN A WAR BECAUSE HE WANTS OIL AND IS STUPID!
NINA: Micheal just like any other president he is just trying to do whats best. And sometimes information in the goverment isnt sharred with the whole wide world.
MICHEAL: I'M NOT LISTENING! LLALALALALALAA
END SCENE
Now Im not master debater (or speller) but who looked better in that conversation? Those arent the EXACT words but it was abasically a debate where Micheal yelled at me a bunch and I tried to discuss it but he ended up pluging his ears because he didnt have anymore good points.
Again I know my argument isnt great but Im just saying, sorta follow allan and state youre facts reasonably.
-Teh Nina (who loves Tori and doesnt mean to offend her)
(You know....Ima go do some reaserch on this subject! for once....)
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jan 26, 2007 20:28:20 GMT -5
*sigh* I know. It's not fair that Maria, Tyler, and Allan all get to be on the same team. >=/ Tori's too "RAWR", and, well, frankly, I'm just an idiot on some of these topics.
But still, I believe in global warming, it seems to be a pretty solid fact. (and it's sort of bizarre that the liberals and conservatives have polarized opinions on this, because it's not a moral issue. O.o) Of course, I'll have to research it some more, but, I mean...look how hot it's been this winter, look how it's growing hotter in other countries, look at all the hurricanes we're having...global warming or not, we're basically DESTROYING the earth. And we're going to pay for it someday.
*makes a resolution to become a l33t science d00d like allan*
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Post by maria on Jan 27, 2007 12:57:49 GMT -5
Disregarding the obvious question of "Who is the Notan Ice guy?" LOL!!
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jan 27, 2007 17:45:26 GMT -5
You know what? I am leaving this debate forever. Because you guys are being retards. It's been sceintifically proven. Watch the Al Gore movie then come debate. Ok?
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