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Post by Keaton on Jun 24, 2007 20:32:30 GMT -5
Yeah, non-Potter related. I'll definitely read it, nonetheless (JKR ROX).
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Post by Web on Jun 24, 2007 20:37:34 GMT -5
yeah come to my harry potter thread in the green room but keep it serious there plz
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jun 24, 2007 22:13:42 GMT -5
Darling... there's no point to that. Let's just keep it in this thread. I love debating theories, but Tori and I like to have a little fun sometimes. Just ignore us, having two threads is a hassle.
But to be on topic: horcruxes.
Now, there are two theories about the seven horcruxes. There's Dumbledore's own "one from each house" theory, and since Dumbledore's a beast, we can essentially take that as canon.
Then there's the wonderful fan-invented "one from each book" theory, which states that a new horcrux will appear in each book. (well, no duh, Sherlock.) If true, this will most likely not be verified explicitly anywhere in the seven book, it will just be an awesome coincidence that will make us hardcore nerds squee.
Taking both those into account, this it my Horcrux Theory: (helped by Keaton and Swoosh)
1. Harry's Scar - See Swoosh's argument for this. No, Harry does not have to die. This also could be Gryffindor's relic. (it's very likely that Harry could be the Heir.) 2. Riddle's Diary - Well, no duh. Gryffindor's sword is in this book too, however... 3. Hufflepuff's Cup - This is a conspiracy theory from Swoosh that I am especially fond of. Could the goblet that Lupin drank his potion out of be Hufflepuff's? Either way, it's still a probable guess. 4. Nagini. Yeah. 5. Slytherin's Locket - Keaton informed me that after Sirius is killed dead, the Trio searches the house and finds a serpenty locket that "none of them could open." I'm very foggy on that book (rereading!), but I trust Keaton, so there ya go. 6. The Ring - Yeah, um, duh. Canon. 7. Voldypoo. However, if he made seven horcruxes, (did he? I'm so stupid when it comes to final section of the series) then it might be Ravenclaw's relic.
So there's my two cents.
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On an unrelated note, which HP character would you snog? X3
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Post by Web on Jun 25, 2007 8:12:41 GMT -5
ok fine joy.....
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Post by Web on Jun 25, 2007 15:54:18 GMT -5
thats a good idea that all of the house relics are horcruxs. and a human cant be a horcrux because a horcrux has to be a single form
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Post by Web on Jun 25, 2007 15:56:20 GMT -5
yeah i need to brush up on harry potter. im gonna read the fifth book again because i think that there is alot of stuff i missed in that, i took about a two month break in the middle of reading it so yeah
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Post by Keaton on Jun 25, 2007 16:19:04 GMT -5
A human CAN be a Horcrux.
A Horcrux is a piece of a soul resting in something.
What if Voldy doesn't have a soul, Joy (pretty unlikely, but still)? What if the one in Book 7 will be Ravenclaw's Wand!
OR
We could have been wrong about the Locket, because that would make THREE things from Slytherin (diary, locket, ring). Maybe we saw a Ravenclaw relic in Book 5.
I recently saw an editorial on Mugglenet saying the new wand Neville gets in OotP could be Ravenclaw's Wand. It lists reasons that compel me to the theory, so I now think the list is:
SS - Harry's Scar CoS - Diary PoA - Cup GoF - Nagini OotP - Ravenclaw's Wand HBP - Ring DH - The Soul in Voldemort (IF he has a soul)
Another thing on Neville's current wand being Ravenclaw's Wand. Why does Neville suddenly get better at magic from the point he gets the wand? Because it was one of Hogwarts' founders wands, of course!
I'm serious about the no soul thing, BTW.
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Post by Web on Jun 25, 2007 18:25:29 GMT -5
i thought he only made 7 horcruxs
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Post by tyler on Jun 26, 2007 20:57:21 GMT -5
Wow, I LOVE the idea of there being a horcrux for every book. It never occurred to me!
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Post by Web on Jun 28, 2007 10:12:22 GMT -5
yeah thats an idea but im not sure if i agree with the nagni
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jun 30, 2007 9:05:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm willing to poo-poo Nagini in favor of a House relic, if need be. Random note of the day: The climax of book five is waaay better than I remember it being. I like to imagine like this song playing in the background. XD It makes the whole thing far more amusing. XD Edit: We could have been wrong about the Locket, because that would make THREE things from Slytherin (diary, locket, ring). *resists urge to use the LOL WUT pear* The diary wasn't from Slytherin... HE BOUGHT IT AT A MUGGLE SHOP.(watch the dance mix!) Sorry... that was a huge inside joke at my camp...
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Post by Swoosh on Jul 3, 2007 12:25:18 GMT -5
Okay... So I'm definitely a Good Snape theorist, but one thing that never made sense to me was why, if he planned his death, Dumbledore didn't tell the rest of the Order.
There are only two (well, three, although the third, in my mind, is a cop-out) theories that justify this for me:
#1 - The Stupefy Theory
Well, from everything we've ever seen in the books, from Moody's classroom to Cedric's death, the Avada Kedavra curse has caused its victim to, in JKR's words, "crumple". Basically, it just makes them fall down, dead. But let's observe what happened in Book 6 when the curse hit Dumbledore...
HBP, p. 596:
"A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest. [Harry] was forced to watch as Dumbledore was blasted into the air. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, then he fell slowly backward, over the battlements and out of sight..."
Hmmm - either JKR made a huge continuity error concerning the way Avada Kedavra works (which sadly might be true), or this was ACTUALLY some other spell. What spell does it most resemble? Hmm - let's take a look at this very similar scene from Book 5...
OotP, p. 805/806
"The second jet of red light hit [Sirius] squarely in the chest. It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall, then his body curved in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch."
Hmm - note the similar language in the first sentence - almost as if JKR is TRYING to remind us of the death that occurred in Book 5. In Book 5, Sirius was blasted by the nonfatal but very serious Stupefy spell and, as a result, fell unintentionally to his death.
Could this be what happened in Book 6 with Dumbledore?
The effects of Snape's "Avada Kedavra" did not resemble a Killing Curse at all, but a Stunning Spell - Stupefy. Perhaps, with all the emphasis on unspoken spells in this book, Snape sent an UNSPOKEN Stupefy to Dumbledore.
TO BE CONTINUED...
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jul 4, 2007 9:09:11 GMT -5
teh stupefy theorie iz dum lol.
*sticks by the Dumbledore's Orders theory, because the thought of his death being an accident is just, well, stupid.*
Plus, smart one, Stupefy is a red spell. Not green.
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Post by Swoosh on Jul 4, 2007 12:47:58 GMT -5
teh stupefy theorie iz dum lol. *sticks by the Dumbledore's Orders theory, because the thought of his death being an accident is just, well, stupid.* Plus, smart one, Stupefy is a red spell. Not green. teh dumbledore's orders theory iz dum lol Stupefy theory is the ONLY way to describe why the spell Snape sent didn't have the effects of Avada Kedavra. So until you come up with an explanation for that, I still stay its the best bet. If Snape killed him on Dumbledore's orders, Dumbledore would have told the Order, so that they would understand. Even if he didn't want to tell the whole Order, he should have at least told his most trusted confidante, Harry, who he knew already had an obvious bias against Snape. How is his death being an accident stupid? It makes perfect sense that a combination of his old age, the potion, the Stunning Spell, and old ag might kill him. And it completes the paralell with Sirius's death so perfectly. Also, I think it is possible that you can conceal a spell to appear as another - it would be a tricky bit of magic, but Snape is powerful enough to fool either Voldemort or Dumbledore, the two most powerful wizards alive (until recently). I think he could manage it.
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jul 4, 2007 19:24:09 GMT -5
Wow... I reread Spinner's End today and DARN IS THAT MAN SMOOTH. I'm seriously thinking there's a possibility for Snape to be evil. Seriously. Only a tiny possibility, but dang. teh dumbledore's orders theory iz dum lol Stupefy theory is the ONLY way to describe why the spell Snape sent didn't have the effects of Avada Kedavra. So until you come up with an explanation for that, I still stay its the best bet. jkr overlooked it lol. Crumple, fall, tomāto, tomăto. He said "Avada Kedavra" and there was green light. I think that's proof enough. If Snape killed him on Dumbledore's orders, Dumbledore would have told the Order, so that they would understand. Even if he didn't want to tell the whole Order, he should have at least told his most trusted confidante, Harry, who he knew already had an obvious bias against Snape. BECAUSE IT MADE BOOK SIX SO MUCH COOLER. Dumbledore made a big mistake in not telling Harry stuff in OotP, maybe he did it again. I think he had his reasons, though we don't know them yet. And dude, "favorite student" does not equal "most trusted confidante". How is his death being an accident stupid? It makes perfect sense that a combination of his old age, the potion, the Stunning Spell, and old ag might kill him. And it completes the parallel with Sirius's death so perfectly. Snape didn't seemed shocked at all when Dumbly died. (I know he's a beast Occlumens, but still.) I just think this whole theory is just out on a limb and conspiratorial, the "Dumbledore's Order's" theory is borderline conspiratorial as it is... Also, I think it is possible that you can conceal a spell to appear as another - it would be a tricky bit of magic, but Snape is powerful enough to fool either Voldemort or Dumbledore, the two most powerful wizards alive (until recently). I think he could manage it. Yeah, maybe. But I doubt it.
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