|
Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jan 24, 2007 21:29:48 GMT -5
v_v
Yes, I am fully aware that the pot is black.
HOWEVER, I suck at getting my points across in the limited attention span I have, so I put bits of randomness in there.
>_>
All right, all right, I'm workin' on it. *grumbles*
|
|
|
Post by theallan on Jan 26, 2007 18:07:20 GMT -5
First of all, the Big Bang, as I said, was ANYTHING but an explosion. It wasn't rocks "banging together", it was a controlled release of energy throughout the universe (this could be infinite or infinitely small, depending on the positive, negative, open, or closed curve of spacetime due to energy concentration) that REQUIRES something supernatural to start it. As for planets coalescing as a result:
Okay, let's start with Hydrogen (I can explain how Hydrogen can coalesce from elementary particles resulting from the energetic Big Bang later if you'd like). Hydrogen gas would have filled most of the universe after matter began to coalesce, as it is the simplest element (one proton and one electron). This Hydrogen, due to slight gravitational imbalances, would begin to clump into tighter and tighter clouds. Know what happens to Hydrogen when it supercompresses? Intense heat + crazy pressure = NUCLEAR FUSION. Hydrogen gone nuclear makes a star. Stars live very long lives as the Hydrogen in them fuses, turning into Helium, but near the very very VERY end of a star's life, it starts fusing Helium into heavier elements, and heavier and heavier until finally the star goes supernova (explodes), spreading all this matter around in a cloud. Remember what happened to the cloud of hydrogen? Well the same thing happens to this cloud, except the stuff that's condensing here is heavy stuff like oxygen, iron, nickel, etc. This can form planets, which also have a tendency to form due to gravitational clumping (rocks don't "bump into each other", they are attracted to each other by gravity in the same way that the moon is attracted to the earth). And thus, after a few billion years or so, you get earth, perfectly positioned in time and space to support life. The history of life as we know it starts with Genesis, of course. That much is difficult to get around (in other words, evolution doesn't work, and abiogenesis is out of the question).
It's simple...or not so simple...science. Cosmologists, contrary to popular evangelical opinion, are NOT idiots. They're quite brilliant in fact. They don't just say "Let's come up with a random idea to prove God doesn't exist!" First of all, the Big Bang proves that God DOES exist, and secondly, the Big Bang is based on the real phenomena that we observe.
|
|
|
Post by Nina ♥ on Jan 26, 2007 20:27:50 GMT -5
Nina, mocking the other side doesn't really make you look very mature. -_- it makes more sense than ZOMG SEVEN DAYS. >.> *coughs* (I love you, Joy! ;D) haha! One that was a good one Maria, Two, Joy I'm not mocking it but doesn't it sound like that? I'm sorry but Ive learned the theory of evolution and I just cant see me evolving from tiny little bacteria. Have we ever put some bacteria in a box and watched it turn into a fish? When we do Ill believe it. I mean I wont be alive or whatever, but just think about it. The world hasn't been here that long. It may sound scientific but when my teacher taught it I was sitting in my seat giggling. I think if we have to learn the Darwin Theory in Schools we need to also learn all the other ones. I could come up with a theory that If people Drink enough orange juice they will be able to fly but until proven true It shouldn't be taught in schools. ... Ima try that now
|
|
|
Post by Nina ♥ on Jan 26, 2007 20:29:12 GMT -5
wait wait? Does Allan believe it or Oppose it?
|
|
maria
New Member
Posts: 1
|
Post by maria on Jan 27, 2007 12:59:58 GMT -5
They don't just say "Let's come up with a random idea to prove God doesn't exist!" First of all, the Big Bang proves that God DOES exist, and secondly, the Big Bang is based on the real phenomena that we observe. Well if that's true, why are so many Christians against it and why is it taught in public schools as... "natural", I guess...? Just wondering why something "proving God's existence" is shunned by people who believe in God. My little brother goes to a VERY VERY hippie-ish school and they're teaching them about the "Big Bang" and they practically worship "Mother Earth". I guess I find it kind of confusing that they'd teach something supporting God's existence. Plus, I know that the scientists who "theorized" the Big Bang didn't do it to prove God's existence...
|
|
|
Post by tyler on Jan 27, 2007 15:14:33 GMT -5
My little brother goes to a VERY VERY hippie-ish school and they're teaching them about the "Big Bang" and they practically worship "Mother Earth." lol, looking back, that was my HS as well. My art teacher ("I really like this 'secret collection' page.") was such a hippie, and the principal and a lot of teachers were very liberal. Except for like two teachers and the vice principal, a retired army major who got invitations to President Bush's events in South Florida. So yeah, none of this is related to this topic. I'm just reminiscing....
|
|
|
Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jan 27, 2007 17:42:24 GMT -5
*cough* *hack* *GAG*
Tori = Hippie - Pot
>.> Don't you be dissin' my peeps man.
....No wait that's gansta.
|
|
|
Post by theallan on Jan 27, 2007 21:03:01 GMT -5
First of all...
THE BIG BANG HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION
Sorry for shouting, just thought I'd throw that one out there.
And, yes, as a matter of fact, the Big Bang theory was originally proposed to glorify God. It was first proposed by a Jesuit Priest, in fact. Just because some schools choose to use the theory to "worship mother earth" doesn't invalidate the theory. It's like saying that because astrologers use the movements of the planets to follow their odd belief, astronomy is incorrect. Now THAT would be weird, woulnd't it? I also bet that this "hippie" school teaches such things as:
1+1=2
The earth revolves around the sun
Water freezes at 32 degrees Farenheit
But does that make THESE statements wrong too? Just because they teach them? Do you think that an educational institution would IGNORE a significant branch of science just because it argues in favor of supernatural intervention in the universe's history? Despite common Christian belief, the scientific community isn't "out to get them"
Allan
|
|
|
Post by tyler on Jan 28, 2007 8:30:47 GMT -5
Despite common Christian belief, the scientific community isn't "out to get them" They're a-comin'! I knowed it! I knowed it all along! They's a-comin' for us all!
|
|
|
Post by theallan on Jan 29, 2007 16:38:25 GMT -5
LOL!
|
|
maria
New Member
Posts: 1
|
Post by maria on Jan 29, 2007 22:50:00 GMT -5
I also bet that this "hippie" school teaches such things as: 1+1=2 The earth revolves around the sun Water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit Well of course, but I was just trying to say that the "hippie" is teaching something that doesn't support a God created universe. Not that they're "putting it down" but they're not supporting it. And I'm pretty sure there's no debate over whether or not God thinks 1+1=2.
|
|
|
Post by theallan on Jan 30, 2007 19:32:12 GMT -5
Still, this is a logical Ad Hominem/Genetic Fallacy. You're attacking the argument based on its origin and the character of its proponents, not based on the merits of the argument itself. Whether or not the "hippie school" takes that angle on it, the Big Bang model does support the existence of God.
|
|
maria
New Member
Posts: 1
|
Post by maria on Jan 30, 2007 22:50:32 GMT -5
Still, this is a logical Ad Hominem/Genetic Fallacy. You're attacking the argument based on its origin and the character of its proponents, not based on the merits of the argument itself. Whether or not the "hippie school" takes that angle on it, the Big Bang model does support the existence of God. Okay, well thank you for answering my question... I was only asking why they use it if it was made to support God... I didn't mean to attack hippies...
|
|
|
Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jan 31, 2007 7:38:28 GMT -5
Well of course, but I was just trying to say that the "hippie" is teaching something that doesn't support a God created universe. Not that they're "putting it down" but they're not supporting it. If schools taught creationism, then all the little Buddhist/Hindu/atheist kids would run crying to their parents and there would be a big deal about it. The best thing for schools to do is to teach the scientific, unbiased way, so no one is offended. It's important to learn about the theories of the Big Bang and evolution; once you know the facts, you can decide whether or not you believe in them. ((and what are these so-called "hippie schools"? O.o))
|
|
|
Post by Swoosh on Jan 31, 2007 10:05:14 GMT -5
But the idea is to teach the theories of Evolution AND Intelligent Design in schools, as both are respected scientific theories. The theory of Intelligent Design alos would not be taught from a strictly Judeo-Christian ciewpoint, it would just be possible proof that there is SOME Creator.
|
|