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Post by Swoosh on Aug 4, 2007 16:41:20 GMT -5
Let's talk Islam for a bit here. Is it inherently violent?
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Post by ghostie on Aug 4, 2007 17:10:04 GMT -5
Oh heaven help us all...If you keep this up I'll go Jihad on you, Swoosh...
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Aug 4, 2007 17:20:23 GMT -5
I'll quote To Kill a Mockingbird on this one, (DUDE BY THE WAY THAT BOOK ROCKS) the Bible in the hand of one can be more dangerous than a beer in the hand of another. Same with the Quran. No religion is inherently "evil", it's just what you take out of it.
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Post by Swoosh on Aug 4, 2007 17:52:41 GMT -5
Love the Mockingbird quote, very applicable here.
Here's the best way to say it: "All Muslims aren't terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." This leads me to believe that, while not inherently violent, the religion lends itself to violence and extremism moreso than most.
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Aug 12, 2007 1:07:29 GMT -5
UGH! I said no debate but one last time?
ISLAM IS NOT THE RELIGION OF TERRORISTS! IT'S AND EFFING CULT BRANCHED OFF OF IT.
And do NOT say you consider that Islamic, or whatever! Do we consider cults branched off of Christianity Christian? NO! SO SHUT UP AND BE NICE TO MUSLIMS. THEY HAVE ENOUGH CRAP AND BASHINGS IN SCHOOL AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
And that ends my debating for good. I'm sorry if I offended.
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Aug 12, 2007 18:46:23 GMT -5
Erm... I agree with Tori... quite strongly, in fact, but I don't think anyone has said anything to suggest Muslim-bashing... omg, Kathleen deleted the non-PC post.
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Post by kathleensamazing on Aug 12, 2007 21:02:37 GMT -5
well, it didnt make sense and it didnt get my point across in the way i wanted......its just idk there just well i dont wanna sound raceist but, i had a islamic friend and she was strange, she talked to ppl that werent even there.... o well, but i agree with the cult thing as well
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Post by Swoosh on Aug 13, 2007 7:02:31 GMT -5
UGH! I said no debate but one last time? ISLAM IS NOT THE RELIGION OF TERRORISTS! IT'S AND EFFING CULT BRANCHED OFF OF IT. And do NOT say you consider that Islamic, or whatever! Do we consider cults branched off of Christianity Christian? NO! SO SHUT UP AND BE NICE TO MUSLIMS. THEY HAVE ENOUGH CRAP AND BASHINGS IN SCHOOL AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. And that ends my debating for good. I'm sorry if I offended. Uhm, Tori, I also agree with you, so exactly WHO were you screaming at!? o_0 Oh, and just to clarify, I very much DO consider Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses as Christians. They believe in the divinity of Christ and the atonement and all, so, by Christian standards, they're going to heaven, right?
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Post by maria on Aug 13, 2007 7:14:52 GMT -5
UGH! I said no debate but one last time? ISLAM IS NOT THE RELIGION OF TERRORISTS! IT'S AND EFFING CULT BRANCHED OFF OF IT. And do NOT say you consider that Islamic, or whatever! Do we consider cults branched off of Christianity Christian? NO! SO SHUT UP AND BE NICE TO MUSLIMS. THEY HAVE ENOUGH CRAP AND BASHINGS IN SCHOOL AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. And that ends my debating for good. I'm sorry if I offended. Uhm, Tori, I also agree with you, so exactly WHO were you screaming at!? o_0 Oh, and just to clarify, I very much DO consider Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses as Christians. They believe in the divinity of Christ and the atonement and all, so, by Christian standards, they're going to heaven, right? 1. Tori is just screaming at the debate thread in general. *sigh* 2. Mormons also believe that by doing certain things, in the "afterlife" they will become gods. Oh, and you've heard of "polygomy", right? 3. Jehovah's Witnesses believe things like, Jesus is the son of God, but not that Jesus is God. That theory was from some woman named... Mary Something-or-other... I should look more up, but make a new thread about it if you want because I'm pretty sure some want to talk about Islam
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Post by Swoosh on Aug 13, 2007 8:56:01 GMT -5
Well, I didn't know that about Mormons, that's just odd...
But as for your third point, I think that's a pretty plausible idea. I mean, Jesus could be ordained or chosen of empowered by God and still be a "Son of God", he doesn't HAVE to be God in the flesh. As long as he was empowered enough by God to remain sinless, the Biblical story of the atonement still makes sense WITHOUT him being God incarnate.
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Post by kathleensamazing on Aug 13, 2007 9:47:52 GMT -5
i thought this was about Islam not Mormans and Witness?? lol
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Post by maria on Aug 13, 2007 14:44:27 GMT -5
But as for your third point, I think that's a pretty plausible idea. I mean, Jesus could be ordained or chosen of empowered by God and still be a "Son of God", he doesn't HAVE to be God in the flesh. As long as he was empowered enough by God to remain sinless, the Biblical story of the atonement still makes sense WITHOUT him being God incarnate. But Jesus says that He and the Father are ONE. It's one of those things that's kinda hard to understand, but makes sense. It makes so much more sense for God and Jesus to be one! Why else would God say there are no other gods before Him? Don't you think some people might think "Jesus is better than God", or vice versa? I mean, if you think about it that way, " Jesus died for us, not God"!
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Post by Swoosh on Aug 13, 2007 15:13:54 GMT -5
Please note that the gospels were written a few years AFTER Jesus's death (and ressurection and ascention, if you buy into all that). By that time, a bit of Christian beliefs were already pretty widespread, one of them being that Jesus was God incarnate. So we cannot be sure if this was originated by Jesus himself or added into the gospels to reaffirm this belief, but we can be sure that, since they were a few years after Jesus's preachings and no one had an yrecording devices present, not all of the quotes are exact.
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Post by maria on Aug 13, 2007 15:25:18 GMT -5
But God still makes it clear that there shall be NO OTHER gods before Him! And one of the reasons the religious figures of Jesus' time hated Him so much was because he claimed to be one with God. I don't think that Paul or any of the other people writing the Bible would just... "assume" something like that if they knew the church hated Him for it.
I don't think such devoted followers of Christ would assume that Jesus was one with God if He hadn't said it Himself. That's a pretty big assumption.
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Post by kathleensamazing on Aug 13, 2007 15:30:34 GMT -5
I agree with Maria, but the topic is weather islam is a peaceful or violent religon....
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