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Post by Swoosh on Sept 7, 2007 19:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by maria on Sept 7, 2007 19:58:08 GMT -5
Well I think Evolution is faulty in so many different ways...
1. Why is there no consistent fossil record to prove it?
2. The chance that this planet can support life in the millions of ways it does by chance is such a low low low LOW possibility it's not even worth bringing up how small it is.
3. If we really are "like monkeys" and just a smarter kind of animal than all the rest, why are we the only ones that question where they came from? Why spend so much time wondering about how we came to be if our lives were just as pointless as any other animal? The only conclusion is: we wonder about it because we NEED God.
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Post by Swoosh on Sept 7, 2007 20:06:40 GMT -5
1. This question will take more research on my part, so I'll get back to you on this. 2. You have to understand how large the universe is, Maria - fact is, life is bound to happen SOMEWHERE - the probability is there simply because of the vastness of the universe. So we happen to be on a planet (possibly the only planet, maybe not) that contains life, which is why we're here ot observe it in the first place. 3. This question has to do with the complexity of our brains. Human brains are the most complex and "intelligent" of any animal, and because of the way our neurons work, it is possible for nuerons to connect in ways that can interpret the world and ask "Why?" Implying that there has to be a point simply because we want there to be is absurd - I want to have a million dollars, and I understand why life would be better if I did, but that doesn't give me a million dollars. If it did, well - let's just say I wouldn't be spending time typing on debate threads on dinky little forums.
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Post by Keaton on Sept 8, 2007 8:53:14 GMT -5
There IS life on other planets (aliens are real), but that's really another subject for me to go into.
Swoosh, I've heard that every piece of evidence for evolution has been proven false. Yet they've found Bible evidence they can't deem false.
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Post by Swoosh on Sept 8, 2007 9:07:51 GMT -5
Well, Keaton, you need to check your sources. I'm all for challenging what I believe - it's how I came to be what I am now in the first place - but I haven't heard anyone say that evolution is wrong besides biased Christians looking for a way to salvage Creatonism, and I've found no evidence of evolution being false myself, so for now I'm assuming its true.
Believing in evolution does NOT mean you can't be a Christian, though. If you want to know more about this, talk to Allan Beck, but basically, its easy to accept the Creation account as a Hebrew psalm praising God for the beauty and power of his Creation, and not necesarrily a step-by-step guide of how he did it.
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Post by maria on Sept 9, 2007 20:36:32 GMT -5
Well, Keaton, you need to check your sources. I'm all for challenging what I believe - it's how I came to be what I am now in the first place - but I haven't heard anyone say that evolution is wrong besides biased Christians looking for a way to salvage Creatonism, and I've found no evidence of evolution being false myself, so for now I'm assuming its true. Believing in evolution does NOT mean you can't be a Christian, though. If you want to know more about this, talk to Allan Beck, but basically, its easy to accept the Creation account as a Hebrew psalm praising God for the beauty and power of his Creation, and not necesarrily a step-by-step guide of how he did it. Okay, first of all, do you read ANYTHING Allan posts? Apparently not. Second of all, Keaton, don't let anything get to you, experience God for yourself, don't decide who He is based on what someone else says. My relationship with God has gotten so much better after deciding not to just go by what my pastor says and to read God's word and talk to Him personally. Does that make sense?
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Post by tyler on Sept 9, 2007 20:44:54 GMT -5
^Maria, I'm about ready to take that step myself. It's so easy (especially in music ministry) to become a church-only Christian. I know that has little to do with this thread, but it's still a good point.
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Post by maria on Sept 9, 2007 21:24:48 GMT -5
That's great! Yeah, I don't think that most non-Christians know this, but not every Christian abides by the church 100%. The church is there to guide us and for fellowship with other believers, not to define our relationship with God completely! That's how people get lost, because instead of relying on God and how you read His Word and experience Him, you're relying on every word the pastor says every Sunday. Some amazing Christians don't even go to church! anyway...
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Post by tyler on Sept 10, 2007 22:42:09 GMT -5
Though I would encourage Christians to go to church because the Bible does mention fellowship with other Christians. A good church (not a shallow one like so many churches are these days) will help foster spiritual growth.
OK, back on topic!
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Post by Swoosh on Sept 11, 2007 5:40:16 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, do you read ANYTHING Allan posts? Apparently not. I'm very offended by this. Not only do I read EVERYTHING Allan posts, but we've also had many private phone conversations on the subject.
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Post by Keaton on Sept 11, 2007 15:59:34 GMT -5
Swoosh, I trust that you read people who's opinions differ from yours' posts. I know I do. Maybe I just like debating and fighting for what I believe in.
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Sept 11, 2007 16:36:54 GMT -5
I like sitting back and wasting time while other people defend what I believe in. : )
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Post by Elphie_Enthusiast on Sept 11, 2007 19:34:47 GMT -5
I am not defending anything. Ive got enough to debate in school
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maria
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Post by maria on Sept 11, 2007 21:04:08 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, do you read ANYTHING Allan posts? Apparently not. I'm very offended by this. Not only do I read EVERYTHING Allan posts, but we've also had many private phone conversations on the subject. Sorry... maybe I misinterpreted what you posted... were you saying that Allan is a Christian who supports evolution?
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Post by Swoosh on Sept 11, 2007 21:57:13 GMT -5
Not necesarilly, no, because I know he doesn't.
However, he is a Christian who thinks out of the box and is DEFINITELY willing to admit that the Genesis account is not a literal account.
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