EVOLUTION 0_0

[Swoosh]

I thought this needed its own thread, since the topic of evolution was predictably getting discussed in a Cosmology/Big Bang thread, which is NOT where it belongs.

I think I've made my thoughts on this subject abundantly clear, so let's hear from someone else!

[{joy the hideous new girl}]

Allan, these topics were made for us to speak our minds. You say you hate us, yet you never explain why. No one's going to want to talk to you if you totally close up on them. Use your freedom of speech or shut the f* up.

*ahem*

I strongly believe that prokaryotes came from God, who had this whole evolution dealie planned out in his head before time. Creationism is poo in my opinion, but evolution has a few issues too. Just not as many.

[ghostie]

I apologize. I try to stay out of these threads, but reading them makes me depressed. I do have opinions, and I hold them for logical and well-supported reasons. I have pages upon pages of documentation that I have either written or collected on the subject, as it interests me very much, but I don't think that the topics in these threads are worth the relationship-splitting drama to defend. Forgive my sensitivities and proceed.

[{joy the hideous new girl}]

I really miss you, Allan. I think it would be healthy for you to vent your feelings in this totally non-emotional setting, (Maria, Swoosh, and I disagree strongly, on like, everything, but we're all still like BFFs) but if you don't want to, I totally understand. I'm sorry for being so hard on you, but I just hate it when you close up like this. =/

[Swoosh]

ghostie said:

I apologize. I try to stay out of these threads, but reading them makes me depressed. I do have opinions, and I hold them for logical and well-supported reasons. I have pages upon pages of documentation that I have either written or collected on the subject, as it interests me very much, but I don't think that the topics in these threads are worth the relationship-splitting drama to defend. Forgive my sensitivities and proceed.

Allan, like Joy said, none of the things in here are "relationship-splitting". Joy, Maria and I all have our different views, but that doesn't mean we're not still friends - I talked to them both today, and guess what? Religion and/or politics didn't come up at any point, as far as I know. All the topics in this board are meant to stay inside this board, for the most part.

I miss you - why have you been so cynical and secluded lately? I'm not trying to insult you, honest - I just wish, like Joy said, that you'd open up. I was looking forward to your opinions on all of these subjects

[Keaton]

My opinion on Evolution is based on my religion (Christianity).

I believe that God created Adam (the first man) and then took a bone from his rib and made the first woman, Eve. They were the first people to walk the earth. The animals were created right before them (see Genesis). Thus humans lived among animals.

I believe that we did NOT evolve from animals and that God created them the way they are now. Also, if we evolved from them, why aren't we still physically evolving today? We didn't look much different (besides the white wigs) back in 1776 then we do now.

[{joy the hideous new girl}]

keaton said:

. Also, if we evolved from them, why aren't we still physically evolving today? We didn't look much different (besides the white wigs) back in 1776 then we do now.

Keaton, evolution takes a loooooong time. And the fact is, we are still evolving. Humans have gotten progressively taller over time, and our genetic makeup is slightly different. It's just that you won't see any significant changes in any animal until at least a hundred thousand years.

[Swoosh]

keaton said:

Also, if we evolved from them, why aren't we still physically evolving today? We didn't look much different (besides the white wigs) back in 1776 then we do now.

Like Joy said, Keaton, Evolution takes forever! It took pretty much an eternity (to our eyes) for a one-celled organism to progress to a two-celled. In terms of evolution, 300 years is less than a microsecond of evolving time.

[maria]

Let Keaton figure things out on his own.

Oh, and Joy, that mutation theory was actually not accepted

I don't believe in that kind of evolution either... I think that we're getting taller and smarter because we're learning more about human capabilities, we have more medicine, and the food we eat is different.

It's true that things change over time, but I don't think that we all evolved from monkeys. If we all came from ONE thing, why aren't we all more similar? Why can't dogs breed with cats? etc.

[Swoosh]

maria said:

It's true that things change over time, but I don't think that we all evolved from monkeys. If we all came from ONE thing, why aren't we all more similar? Why can't dogs breed with cats? etc.

Because evolution didn't occur in a line, moving from species to species until all of them were there. A bunch of different (extremely slow-moving) mutations and evolutions took place simultaneously, depending on what life forms in certain areas needed to adapt to. That's why some primates in Asia evolved into orangutans, while one group of primates in sub-Saharan Africa evolved into homo sapiens, or humans.

[maria]

admin said:

maria said:

It's true that things change over time, but I don't think that we all evolved from monkeys. If we all came from ONE thing, why aren't we all more similar? Why can't dogs breed with cats? etc.

Because evolution didn't occur in a line, moving from species to species until all of them were there. A bunch of different (extremely slow-moving) mutations and evolutions took place simultaneously, depending on what life forms in certain areas needed to adapt to. That's why some primates in Asia evolved into orangutans, while one group of primates in sub-Saharan Africa evolved into homo sapiens, or humans.

Well why would there be so many monkeys that aren't like humans, and only ONE kind of animal that's like us?

Wouldn't there be different human species?

[Swoosh]

maria said:

Well why would there be so many monkeys that aren't like humans, and only ONE kind of animal that's like us?

Wouldn't there be different human species?

The important thing to note here is that we really AREN'T that much different from most other primates. The only really significant thing to set us apart is the size of our brains, which are the largest (in comparison to our bodies) of any in the animal kingdom. There are other small differences, of course, but again, we really aren't all that different than, say, a chimp or an orangutan.

[maria]

Our DNA is WAAAY more complex, we have more intelligence, etc.

Something can't come out of nothing, and if we all evolved, there would be WAAAY more similarities between plants and animals and humans... And how did some things come to be alive and some didn't? Why aren't there walking rocks? Why don't trees have brains too?

How did everything seem to work out so perfectly just from one little cell?

[Swoosh]

maria said:

Our DNA is WAAAY more complex, we have more intelligence, etc.

Something can't come out of nothing, and if we all evolved, there would be WAAAY more similarities between plants and animals and humans... And how did some things come to be alive and some didn't? Why aren't there walking rocks? Why don't trees have brains too?

How did everything seem to work out so perfectly just from one little cell?

Maria, I'm sorry, but I don't really "get" your arguments. Rocks don't walk because they are not biological beings, merely chemical clumps.

And also, chimps share around 98% of our DNA - our DNA is much more complex than an amoeba, a plant, or even a dog or cat, but thinking we have a monopoly on complex DNA is simply not true.

[ghostie]

I'm just clinging to the hope that, given enough time, logic will spontaneously form somewhere in here...