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Post by maria on Jun 12, 2007 22:34:46 GMT -5
What are your thoughts? *prepares to get intense*
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Post by Ebola on Jun 12, 2007 22:40:36 GMT -5
Personally, I feel abortion is worng in every case, including rape, but I think it's okay for women to have a choice if they were raped or were in a situation that would harm them. I suppose stem cell research is acceptable as long as they don't destroy the fetus.
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Post by maria on Jun 12, 2007 22:53:26 GMT -5
Well I also believe that abortion is wrong, but I also believe that Stem Cell Research is wrong... I know that that sounds heartless of me to say that people are "FORCED" to have a baby or to say that it's "wrong" to try to find a cure for so many horrible conditions, but I wouldn't care if it were "just cells" but I can't bring myself to think that.
I'm a Christian, so of course I think the fetus has a soul and that it's wrong to play God, because GOD is the author of life... but other than that, I believe it's wrong...
If it's "just cells", we were all "just cells" once! let's say that they used all of us for stem cell research when we "weren't alive yet" ...we wouldn't be alive right now! It might sound like it's harmless, but maybe those "cells" are future heroes, future best friends, people who save lives, people who teach us, or other doctors that could find amazing cures for illnesses! You have absolutely no right to rob a life from someone...
Really, think about it, when I was "just a cell" and if they used ME for stem cell research, I wouldn't be here right now... I might not be a blessing to you all or anything, but Joy, don't you think your life would be completely different? Swoosh? Tori? Nina? (Allan, if you were here...) Well that's just "one life" maybe... but let's say that my "cell" proved that stem cells could cure people with cancer or other things... It's not like it would only take ONE "cell", because they'd start making more and more!
I know that it's hard when you have so much sympathy for people suffering right now, but think about the lives that never started... the lives that you know nothing about... The people that you never met that could have been your best friend or helped you through a hard time... The people that could pick on you at school and make you stronger... I'm not saying all of them must have been angels, but how would you know who they'd be?
Abortion:
If you're not responsible enough to have a baby, you're not responsible enough to have sex.
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Post by Ebola on Jun 12, 2007 23:00:23 GMT -5
So are you against using the stem cells in the cord blood for research?
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Post by maria on Jun 12, 2007 23:03:12 GMT -5
Well if you mean cutting the umbilical cord and using the cells in that after the baby is born... i see no problem with that....
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jun 13, 2007 10:08:24 GMT -5
Totally totally for stem cell research. Partly because of personal reasons, and partly because IT IS A CELL WHICH HAS NO CHANCE OF BECOMING HUMAN. Also, I believe abortion should be legal. I personally don't oppose it, but I understand why a lot of people do. However, if it's not your body, you have NO RIGHT to have a say in what happens. Yes, I know it's sad because a fetus could potentially become a person, but guess what? It didn't. Tough luck. Since I personally believe that we don't have "souls" until after we're born, a fetus is not fully grown, just a seed in the ground that was removed before it grew. Sorry. Besides, would you really want to subject a child you don't want to misery and abuse? And even if you put it up for adoption, there are too many homeless children in the world already... I dunno. That's just my two cents. I know that it's hard when you have so much sympathy for people suffering right now, but think about the lives that never started... the lives that you know nothing about... The people that you never met that could have been your best friend or helped you through a hard time... The people that could pick on you at school and make you stronger... I'm not saying all of them must have been angels, but how would you know who they'd be? Yeah, if an dying old woman went to different restaurant that day, long ago, and fell in love with the waiter and had three wonderful children... the world would be different. But it didn't happen. Those three wonderful children doesn't exist. It's the butterfly effect. It's fate. Some babies are meant to be born, some aren't. Aborted fetuses are just that, aborted fetuses. They weren't planned out to have lives, and so, they did not. |
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Post by tyler on Jun 13, 2007 16:41:44 GMT -5
I believe that the government has every right to tell people that they can't kill babies. Saying that a woman should have the right to "choose" is like saying a murderer has the right to kill someone. It's funny, how we say "the right to choose," which doesn't really give us all the facts. Abortion wouldn't sound like such coffee-table discussion if we were discussing a woman's "right to choose to end an innocent life."
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Post by Swoosh on Jun 13, 2007 20:52:14 GMT -5
I say let the courts decide. It's not wrong in every case, but it certainly is in a lot of cases. You're denying that baby the most basic right, the right to live. Sure, as Joy said, you're also denying many "future babies" their right to live by not having sex with every person in sight and creating your potential baby with them, but that's a bit different. You don't make a conscious effort NOT to have sex with a stranger (unless the person is really, REALLY hot), but you do make a conscious choice to kill a fetus.
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Post by maria on Jun 13, 2007 20:56:59 GMT -5
because IT IS A CELL WHICH HAS NO CHANCE OF BECOMING HUMAN. But it CANT become a human! It CAN have a life! Also, I believe abortion should be legal. I personally don't oppose it, but I understand why a lot of people do. However, if it's not your body, you have NO RIGHT to have a say in what happens. Fine, I'll become anorexic and bullemic... You have no right to tell me I can't! I think people should be able to save lives. Yes, I know it's sad because a fetus could potentially become a person, but guess what? It didn't. Tough luck. Since I personally believe that we don't have "souls" until after we're born, a fetus is not fully grown, just a seed in the ground that was removed before it grew. Sorry. Okay, maybe a fetus just had "tough luck" Sorry, kid, you can't have a life! ...but it's not just ONE fetus! It would be several hundred fetuses! Maybe several hundred THOUSAND kids that just "didn't get a chance". Yeah, if an dying old woman went to different restaurant that day, long ago, and fell in love with the waiter and had three wonderful children... the world would be different. But it didn't happen. Those three wonderful children doesn't exist. It's the butterfly effect. It's fate. Some babies are meant to be born, some aren't. Aborted fetuses are just that, aborted fetuses. They weren't planned out to have lives, and so, they did not. Well I agree that maybe some babies are meant to be born and some arent, but who are you to decide which ones?? Fate HAPPENS... it's not decided beforehand... And if aborted fetuses weren't supposed to have lives, what happens when the fetus IS born... A failed abortion baby! Are you supposed to tell that person that they're not meant to have a life because they were "an accident"? |
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Post by Swoosh on Jun 13, 2007 21:00:38 GMT -5
The fate argument, like Maria said, is dumb. You could go kill a bunch of people and say they were "fated" to die because you killed them - but no, that wouldn't make it right.
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jun 13, 2007 22:28:54 GMT -5
Ok so if you be crazy junked up teenager and go having sex wit all da boys and get pregnant and want dat baby outa ya, then dat be dumb. It your fault honey. But if you been raped by your daddy, you dun wanna hava baby that be your sister and you daughter, would ya? And stem cell research? I is all fo dat. It be da junk. And saves people. And dem fetuses was gonna be NOT USED any ways. So why not saves someone? You guys all up in everyones buisness about savin lives, so why not someone who all ready be livin? Or are we just not as special as dat fetus that would be destroyed anyways? You be catchin my drift? You guys is whacked up. Peace.
>.> Yeah.
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Post by Swoosh on Jun 14, 2007 9:38:54 GMT -5
Ok so if you be crazy junked up teenager and go having sex wit all da boys and get pregnant and want dat baby outa ya, then dat be dumb. It your fault honey. But if you been raped by your daddy, you dun wanna hava baby that be your sister and you daughter, would ya? Well, I know most women won't respect my opinion, because I will obviously NEVER be in that situation, but I say give it a chance to live and PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION. Unless it causes serious damage to the mother, abortion is NEVER the right choice. |
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Post by maria on Jun 14, 2007 13:46:02 GMT -5
I know that lots of women don't appreciate a man's opinion on abortion, but there are single men who have to be just as responsible with their kids as a single mom would have to be.
And plus, there are lots of people that regret having abortions later on in life. It's because when they decide to have an abortion, they make the decision "in the moment" when they can't see the future. They might realize that they could've taken care of that baby no matter how much it took. Wouldn't you feel bad if you got an abortion? There's absolutely no way you can decide what a person's life is going to be like. And if you're aware that their life is going to be awful because "you're stupid and irresponsible", YOU'RE the problem, not the baby!
Personally I think abortion is a very irresponsible act. It might sound "responsible", but how is it responsible to not let someone live because you're not willing to change your life or do something for the baby?
I honestly don't think that most abortions are because they decide the baby will have a bad life, I think it's because the person wasn't planning on the baby and they don't want to change THEIR life plans for themselves... No child is a mistake.
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Post by TORI! (is so hyper it's scary) on Jun 14, 2007 22:50:55 GMT -5
Unless it was a mistake.... And if you can't care for the child and you are a crazy junked up teenager, you might end up abandoning the baby or killing it. If you have an abortion, it's BEFORE the baby develops. So it's NOT really killing anything. just a mass of cells.
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Post by {joy the hideous new girl} on Jun 15, 2007 10:33:47 GMT -5
But it CANT become a human! It CAN have a life! I'm going to assume you meant to put "CAN" instead of "CANT", because otherwise this statement makes no sense... But dude, no it can't. It's a friggin' artificially made zygote. Cells die off all the time. It's not murder, it's a cell. Fine, I'll become anorexic and bullemic... You have no right to tell me I can't! I think people should be able to save lives. But that's harming your body, not the little zygote thingy inside your body. That's self-destruction, which in my opinion is a lot, lot, worse than deciding to terminate a tiny little cell. And you're actually right, I do have no right to tell you to stop being bullemic. It is your body. If you want to starve yourself, you have the right to. It would deeply hurt me, and I would do everything I could to make you stop, but I do not have the right to say "STOP THROWING UP". Okay, maybe a fetus just had "tough luck" Sorry, kid, you can't have a life! ...but it's not just ONE fetus! It would be several hundred fetuses! Maybe several hundred THOUSAND kids that just "didn't get a chance". *refers back to Swoosh's sex argument, even though he's disagreeing with me* And think about it, what if there were a hundrend thousand more people in this world? Do you KNOW how overpopulated we are already!? Everytime two people prepare to have sex, there's POTENTIAL for a baby. A fetus is the same thing, a POTENTIALLY human thing. By that logic, condoms and birth control are evil. Well I agree that maybe some babies are meant to be born and some arent, but who are you to decide which ones?? Fate HAPPENS... it's not decided beforehand... That's a phisolophical (SPELLING HOLOCAUST) difference between you and me. Have you ever seen "My Name is Earl"? (yes, I know this seems like a stupid example... bear with me.) "Karma used me to do his dirty work!" All of our decisions are meant to affect certain things. And yes, this means that murder is predetermined, and no, it does not mean that murder is right, because the murdered person is already alive. And if aborted fetuses weren't supposed to have lives, what happens when the fetus IS born... A failed abortion baby! Are you supposed to tell that person that they're not meant to have a life because they were "an accident"? (Teehee, Cat...) No. If the abortion didn't work, then they were meant to be born. I know that lots of women don't appreciate a man's opinion on abortion, but there are single men who have to be just as responsible with their kids as a single mom would have to be. I believed that the male spouse should have about as much as a say in the abortion than the mother. And plus, there are lots of people that regret having abortions later on in life. It's because when they decide to have an abortion, they make the decision "in the moment" when they can't see the future. They might realize that they could've taken care of that baby no matter how much it took. Wouldn't you feel bad if you got an abortion? There's absolutely no way you can decide what a person's life is going to be like. Yes, an abortion is a hard decision to make. That's why the mother should think very hard if this is what she wants or not. And if she does regret it... "Forget regret, or life is yours to miss". And if you're aware that their life is going to be awful because "you're stupid and irresponsible", YOU'RE the problem, not the baby! Exactly. If you know you won't take good care of the baby, then you shouldn't subject it to misery. It's your problem, so you don't really "deserve" (kind of a bad way to put it) to have a baby. (I'm basically agreeing with Tori.) Of course, adoption is totally awesome and cool and all that, if you're willing to go through childbirth, then power to ya'. Personally I think abortion is a very irresponsible act. It might sound "responsible", but how is it responsible to not let someone live because you're not willing to change your life or do something for the baby? People can say they're going to turn their life around, but they very rarely do. *cynical* If someone decides to really revamp their life, and they follow through, then again, power to ya'. But if you KNOW you're not going to take good care of the baby, ( AKA me. >.> *emotionally and physically abused her health project flour sack*) then a termination is the most responsible thing. I honestly don't think that most abortions are because they decide the baby will have a bad life, I think it's because the person wasn't planning on the baby and they don't want to change THEIR life plans for themselves... No child is a mistake. *shrugs* It sounds selfish when you put it that way, but I wouldn't throw my hopes and dreams away for a rape baby. (if it's not a rape baby... yeah, that's pretty irresponsible, not gonna lie.) You don't make a conscious effort NOT to have sex with a stranger (unless the person is really, REALLY hot) XD Swoosh is my hero... but you do make a conscious choice to kill a fetus. ...even though you can't kill something that's not alive. >_< *has a hand cramp* |
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